The Art Of Something Called LOVE
I was reading an ENTRY at Flamingoliya’s blog, it was a very direct question that I thought of its content more than what the whole exercise represented.. but after reading some comment on her entry, I realized that some of the points should be taken in consideration here.. & thought what the hell, instead of writing a long @$$ comment on her blog, I’ll put it here as a Blog entry.. so embrace your selves.. it’s some how controversial.. I am a man, yes.. and I wonder, why men ( and I say it in total general way, no specific group of men, or from one culture in specific) always want to be a woman’s first love? Most ( and I say most not all) men love the idea that they are the first one in a woman’s life, and some men would actually end the relationship if they knew they weren’t the first. More over, many men want to marry virgins, that means, they want to be the first ones to enter their sexual lives and the last. Please bare with me, not to associate any cultural or religious methodology in here, just have a general wondering as I usually do about everything. Men are possessive of women, and want to be the only (first and last) person in their lives, on the contrary, women, don’t mind that a man had a relationship in the past with other women, they do want the man with experience, hell, they might also want a man with experience in the art of making love.. Personally, I don’t think of wanting to be the woman first love and only, first of all it is impossible, (unless you’re middle high school sweethearts, because if you are not, then it’s too late, girls tend to develop crushes at that age), and then, it is a damn great feeling when you sweep a woman off her feet, and make her forget everyone else in her past, and love you more than she ever loved anyone before you. Make you as the new measurement for her relationships as for her old love, it’s not easy, but that’s the best part, is the trying to do it.. Not taking the easy way of saying you have no idea what's out there, and all are like me.. so settle please.. In addition to all of that, why the selfishness in wanting to be the first one in a woman’s life? Is it perhaps that men are self conscious that they can’t be able to make a woman as happy as she used to feel with someone else before them ? same thing with sex again.. LOL, most men want virgins because they are so afraid that the woman will think he is lousy in bed, but if she didn’t have anyone to compare him to, then he’s a sex god… hahahahaha.. I pity these guys.. the challenge is to make a woman say you’re the best guy I have ever had. not you’re the only guy I have ever slept with. Heck, I am comparing her to my past, and try to see if she is good or not, how come she can't do that ?? The only problem, that many women give in to all of this selfishness, and think they are doing something wrong if they experience the feeling of love before the existing man in their lives today, and some ladies will go to the limit of lying, so they won’t loose the man, by saying you’re my first.. . but I know how men can be selfish most of the time.. I really do.. Thanks Flamin for the inspiration, I really needed it.. my mind is stuck a little bit.. |





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MARK2006 said ... (12/15/2006 7:56 AM) :
post a commentdo u know any guy who thinks like u and has a hummer?? ;)
prete. al check his bike pictures and you will see a hummer :) :)
this subject is somehow very attached to the daily regime, it happenes every single sec. specially here in kuwait i hear alot of such a thing.
is the sex view to be hounest men and women comlete them selves and they become like a lock and a key both are made for each other so if there is more than one key or one lock there will be too many side effects on !
and having a guy as a first love in a womens life this is what it will always happen there is no guy like another and there is no print like another the problem comes when women start to compare. But believe me when i say with women her man is always her first love.
and about you can't find a girl to make her your fist love no dude you dont have to go to high school levels ...there are too many and alot and millions of mature ladies never experienced love or had a real crush on someone,they might seem flirty but they never had it. i strongly dont agree with you on this point.
Al, I wonder which personality is asking that question. LOL.. but no sweetie, unfortunately, the combination you are asking for doesn’t exist in my world..
Nooni, the hummer is my friend’s, and no he does not think the way I explained..
And for your last part, I know a grown man that actually broke up with his girlfriend just because she said that Asher is cute, that level of crush is even not welcomed among some men.. I hope now you understand what I mean.. I am not looking for someone that never loved before like you think.. I can not believe that someone would not ever had a crush on someone while young, and felt the need to be with them, even if it didn’t happen, but that crush is the first feeling of love for that girl.. and if so, I feel sorry for her to tell you the truth, to be all grown up and never felt the feeling of love..
I think women have learned to get around that. Meaning in the case of the guy who broke up w his girlfriend bcz of Asher, sometimes we learn NOT to say things in front of our men out of respect for their feelings and masculinity.
Personally, I do not think this is healthy becuase it leads to duplicity. The ideal relationship is when a couple feel so relaxed and sure of each other's love that there is no problem in looking at or admiring a member of the opposite sex (in a clean, appreciative way).
Isn't it worse when a man is drooling over a sexy actress when in the company of his friends, but with his wife, he changes the tv channel if a handsome singer/actor comes on? It happens.
In response to your question in the post, it takes a certain level of maturity and a good measure of self-confidence for a man to accept that his woman has been with someone else before him.
It is not easy for him to get over the ideas he has been exposed to socially.
Girls from a young age learn to accept that men need to be experienced and that is better but they must remain untouched, body & soul.
I know what you mean, but it's the experiences in life that make you more perfect.. :r
Great topic Don...
this is how I see it:
it all boils down to double standards...sorry but I hate it when a man find it perfectly ok to discuss his past love affairs and the woman should just shut-up and never say a word!
I don’t know how so many girls deny that they were in love before…I find it very troubling to start something new with someone with a lie!
If he can’t handle the truth than he’s not a man enough…because it only takes a true man to realize we are human beings with feelings…we love…we have crushes…we get hurt…and I’m not saying it’s the “new man’s” job to try to pick up the broken pieces from her previous relationship...but honestly I would love too see a man "yenaseee a girl’s past" because it takes more effort to impress her and make her realize she has something better than what she used to have…
And I wish if men only realize women who have been through relationships are more mature in many ways…(no as much drama) at least that's what I think :)
Sweet Jewaira, it was ridiculous really.. I mean to scoop to that level of insecurity ? so freakin what ? I mean, like you said, we do get attracted to a beautiful woman, and even if we do not do anything, but we still look at her and enjoy her walking by, but NOOOO the woman can not do that, “it’s not in her genes” !! if the man and the woman like you said have the confidence and the trust in each other, then this shouldn’t bother them at all.. It’s ok to admire someone as long as you don’t do anything about it.. simple..
I mean that Asher incident made me laugh so hard as this guy went on and on cussing Asher out.. LOL.. it was really funny.. a man many thousands miles away, not aware of their existence, broke them up.. dude.. how low can you get !!
Jewaira, you said “Girls from a young age learn to accept that men need to be experienced and that is better but they must remain untouched, body & soul.”
Sorry, but I think that’s a crack of Bull..
Jako, I think most men beg to differ, it’s the experiences that would expose that they are lousy husbands, romantically and sexually.. again you guys, NOT ALL.. I am sure some of you do have the confidence I am talking about..
Jella Bella You understood what I wanted to say perfectly.. the challenge is to take over her heart and make her realize that in her past, there was no one that comes as close as him.. not please tell me you never knew what love is so I can show you that this is the only way to love, take it or leave it..
it's Bull really
Experienced women in love department are more mature and are more challenging for men. But no man can make any woman forget a previous love, and it’s not a competition, each has his own time and memories. It is always stored in a little spot in the mazes of the mind. But a smart lover can make a woman content enough not to dig in that spot and provide him with the best he deserves; all of herself.
Thank you Don for the post. i really wanted feed back on the matter and now i got it.
you told Nooni: "I feel sorry for her to tell you the truth, to be all grown up and never felt the feeling of love"
yes, can you BELIEVE that?!
good point too about celebrity crushes who are "thousands miles away, not aware of their existence"
it's in the end a matter of culture like what Jewaira said and the way to get over it is having self confidence like what you said.
i once told someone online (who seemed interested in knowing me) that i loved Shawn Michaels. i never heard of him again :P
oh and BTW, whenever you need inspiration just visit my blog, i have alot of inspiration to spare; a thing that should help me detach myself from bloggy addiction :)
Honestly, i couldn't stop smiling while reading thru..
Since i am the last person on earth who should comment on the "love" department, i have an interesting way to ease ur mind and the person who u'll commit to..
well.. firslty.. listen & learn .. u might end up knowing a new thing about ur partner , Secondly .. move on ! honestly u don't have time to dwell on the past..
The key is to give urself a chance to explore the good and the "ugly" in ur partner and deside.. whether u can accept him/her with all her faults or not.. if not.. move on !
Don't make ur life a courtroom ..
Don
Even if it is unacceptable, that is what little girls are conditioned to believe as they grow up...until they realize what a bunch of lies they have been fed.
Oh my god this is hilarious loooool a guy like you with a hummer!! Sheesh I woulda forced him to marry me ghasib lool that really cracked me up .. 3ala rasi Al ;) and well the rest has all been said, I agree & second every single comment here. Jewaira see why I don’t lie ;) u like it? it’s all yours good and bad, ya don’t .. well adios amigo I got better things to waste my time on lol. And in any case there’s this little teeny weeny essential thing called TRUST! Some guys thinks they can’t trust a girl with a past, and that kinda guy can kiss my bazooka. When you trust u can talk about anything & that's what it means to be soul mates; to know each and every little detail about each other. Besides it gives more to talk about ;p Isn’t love just grand? (^.^)
I have a feeling that you are in the minority of thinking with the men around you?You are a good guy and I agree completely with what you said.If a man can't handle that someone else found their girl desirable before they did,he must be a very insecure man with more problems to follow!
That is unbelievable that someone would break-up with someone because they thought someone else was hot?Especially someone they have never met!My Dh says as long as I don't make noise it doesn't bother him.LOL If I make noise I get a "Hey!!".It is more of a joke really and I do the same to him.It is me who changes the channel if I think he is too into what he is watching,again,it is a joke on my part because I'll change it back.The old saying still holds true....Just because you look at the menu doesn't mean you have to eat!
Hehehe it’s gonna be a long one.. :P
Ayya, it’s not in the sense of if you ask the woman she wouldn’t remember her old love no, what I tried to cross over and Jelly Belly put it in a nut shell, is that the challenge for the man to come in and make the woman crazy about him, that when she compare him with her old love, she wouldn’t find the measurements to do so for him exceeded her expectations.. all men and women contrast their existing relationship with old ones, it’s natural.. and that’s why most men hate it, because they do not have the confidence and the maturity to take that challenge and make the woman put him as the comparison with her old relationship, and find out that no one in her past can get close to him.. He’s afraid of the disappointment that she’ll find he’s a lousy lover, romantically and sexually..
I don’t know if that was clear enough.. :)
Flamen sweetie.. I am always at your blog.. ALWAYS.. :)
And when I read this, I found that there should be a more serious and detailed discussion about what you were talking about.. specially in this region, I wanted to see what everyone think about it.. I guess, I’m only seeing people agreeing, then again, maybe because I have the anonymous blocked from saying anything,
And No, I don’t believe that someone is grown and never had a crush on someone in their teens, a man or a woman, teens is always the time where they develop simple innocent crushes on actors or singers, or someone living in the neighborhood, it doesn’t matter if something happened with that guy, but I am sure you felt something for someone while young, and even if nothing happened, but you felt all tingly when you saw him.. it’s in our human nature Flemen.. and if still you say no.. I do feel sorry.. wallah you missed on the best feeling in our teenage years..
You should see the pictures of Hillary Duff at my teenage brother room, or Rami 3ayaash’s pictures at my little sister’s room.. but it’s part of growing up.. natural..
Sloth, I am so glad that you joined the discussion, I know you have been hiding in the background looking around, thinking this is is so not real.. hehehe.. Making up scenarios in your head.. I enjoyed them by the way.. but really.. I’m very glad that you are joining the discussion.. you’ll learn more about me now than ever before.. BTW, your Listen and Learn comment gave you away.. hehehehe :P
Jewaira hun, don’t even get in to the lies that they are fed.. a different discussion..
Peach, you say “Some guys think they can’t trust a girl with a past”, we come back to the same subject, insecurity, or why do you think the man would think that he can’t trust her, if he satisfy all her needs, mentally and physically, she won’t look for someone else, again, the man should try to get in to the woman’s mind , and make her love him in a way that she never loved anyone before, if he’s a great lover, in all senses not in bed only, but in general, there is nothing to worry about, a woman without a so called past would find her self looking at someone else if she wasn’t satisfied (again not only sexually, but in all aspects)
Chris dear, maybe over here it is more, but it did exist in the US when I used to live there.. not as much, but I did meet few American guys that wished for someone that has no relationship history, or at least a very short one.. someone like been in a relationship with her high school sweetheart for 10 years then they broke up for some reason, she’ll be a catch.. it’s weird but I saw it happen.. maybe when I spoke it felt like I’m talking about guys in the region, but no.. I tried to make sure to mention in the entry that no specific group of men, or from one culture in specific were targeted.. I also knew many Portarican female friends that held sex until they get married.. but at least they went out with guys and experienced love.. more like the women in this region of the world..
You cracked me up with your “Hey” comment.. hehehe.. that was very funny in mind when I imagined it.. LOL
Dearest..
i left them on purpose ;)
I want a man with no experience.
I think I deserve that.
Sloth, :)
TF, It's a one in a ten million shot that a grown man never ever in his life felt the love of a woman in his past, but you truly deserve what you wish for.. I wish you to get what you want in life from the bottom of my heart.. (but be careful, it's very easy to lie and say I have no experience, it's a heads up for you)
Let me just say, that a woman can outgrow her first love when she realizes that he belongs only in the time before she grew and became a more developed ad full woman. Not all men/women grow with you (if you are growing and changing/developing).
Somtimes the person who was right for you at a certain time of your life, doesn't go with you to your new stage of development. And then you are no longer right for each other.
A man or woman without *some* experience is boring and unreal. Really. How can they appreciate you or know what love is? Not for me.
Ms. B q8 I quote "How can they appreciate you or know what love is?"
I couldn't have put it better than that really.. That's it, they don't want the woman to know what love is, what ever he is showing her, is it.. not knowing that there is allot of things that she doesn't know existed..
Lots of women never know that they can have an orgasm, because they never experienced it and never gotten educated about it.. goodness... How selfish is that really ??
Yes it is, isn't it? And it's pretty common here in our part of the world. Denying a woman's femininity and her God-given right to sexuality. A terrible, unforgivable thing.
Ms. B q8 , someone is still grumpy today.. LOLOL :P
Don: Grrrrr..AARGGHHHhhhhh..
hehe ;)
I stumbled upon your blog. Quite thought provoking. Thank you.
Gina, Welcome aboard, The tides are high, so surf as much as you want in here.. :P
hehehehe... nice :D
i dedicate this song to you Don ..(in this life) by ronan keating ...
cause it seems you are lost a little
Laymoona, thanks sweetie for the dedication :)
I'm not lost, just little bothered of how things are sometimes.. I found my inner peace long time ago.. but still.. thank you for that wonderful song..
Thanks Don for explaining, I just hoped that more men commentators were here to join in the discussion. Because what you are representing here is very important for them to learn, and was wondering what would their reaction to this issue be.
I was wondering about the male participation myself?Funny how all of them except Don of course dissappeared?
It breaks my heart that someone first wouldn't know something as important as that and number two would never experince one.That is so sad!Atleast if they know even though they might never have experinced,they can talk with their partner about how to get them there.I know divorce isn't an accepted thing in your part of the world but I have to wonder how many women might be playing around on their partner because they aren't happy and don't know why?Men shouldn't dilude themselves into thinking that it isn't a two way street on most things male and female!If a man isn't satisfied with sex,how long does it take him to sat looking around for someone else?Something to think about!
That should be "start looking"not sat.:o Wild fingers today!;)
This IS very intersting....because David and I discussed this very thing today. How funny! I think it says MUCH more for a man to ride in on his "white horse" and sweep a lady off her feet to the point that she, indeed, does forget every other man in her past. Much more power, finesse and charisma needed for that. Usually, first loves are composits of seflishness, fear, uncertainty, experimentation and need. So there!
yea ladies, I was also disappointed that no guys came in to leave us a piece of their minds.. :(
u wanted another man's point of view, then i hope this will help :). i think for both female and male should stay virgins until they marry, my reasons:
1) Religion prohibits it, till marrige.
2) share everything for the first time.
3) helps them communicate with each other better and feel more comfortable.
4) its shows respect to each other and self control. knowing at the end that sex isnt "The relationship"
dont get me wrong, its a wonderful thing, but a relationship shouldnt be based on how well a person is in bed. Its there Personality that will last a Lifetime. Looks will fade, u'r "lobido" will decrease whats left at the end is u'r personality. everyone has crushes in there lifetime, thats normal. but i believe and heard when both genders have slept with past relationship, its causes mostly "insecuirity".
let me put it this way, when a man has past relaionships with women in his single years and vice versa and then settle down and gets married. after a couple of years of marrige, there going to be a few arguements and fights, what will he remember? when he was single and how he use to date girls and once she gets on his nerves he dumps her and moves on to the next one, but this he's stuck in marrige. so what are the alternatives sorry to say "divorce or cheat".
i am an open minded person, but i still have my principals and my reasons, for that i hope i havent offended anyone here, and i thank everyone for there intresting comment on this subject i know i learnt a few new things today. Thank you again.
(Damn, this should have been an entry by it self)
Ma'CheezMo, First welcome to the blog, I hope you’ll find it pleasing..
And for your contribution..
First, I would like to thank you for taking the initiative to place a comment, for some reason many guys I guess found it very contradictory, or maybe they preferred to keep their views to their selves which I respect..
I like how you approached the whole issue here, you’re a classy guy that do know how to present your point in a very classy manner. I totally respect your point of views, and think many see it as the right way, although I must say, you haven’t tackled the scenario I was talking about in my entry.. if you may let me take you back to the entry, you will find that I mentioned aside of the cultural and religious principle, and tried to make it as general way of thinking as possible, I might not been successful in crossing over that I was talking about the fact that people in the whole world are having relationships despite all the religion boundaries (not judging here), also and talking about the nature in the human male to want a human female without past relationships.. I mean, I totally understand if the guy is a virgin and want to have someone from the opposite sex with the same principals that he has.. But also, I tried to explain that I am not talking only about the sexual relationship between lovers, I was trying to discuss how most men (despite their backgrounds) does not want a woman with past relationships, even if they didn’t have sex.. they always want to be the first.. So women tend to hide their past relationships (if they had any) to make sure that they will meet the standards of their new man. (that’s why in marriage proposal you ask behind the girl and check her history to make sure she wasn’t in relationships before and not address the girl and confront her, I see lack of trust in the lady’s answer if she tells that she never had any relationships before)
On the other hand, most woman, have no problem in accepting the fact that the man had relationships in the past (again sexual or none) and they find it normal, and here we go back for the double standard issues and how men and women are fed that this is the right way, and not the other way around..
The lover comparison that I was mentioning is not about who is better in bed (well not completely), humans compare and have favorite people in everything.. you like one friend more than the other, heck some parents have favorite kids over others, what I meant was that we compare past lovers (not only sexual lovers) and see who is better, this is where I think many men have the insecurity, this is why they would be afraid of not holding up against past love that his woman had.. instead of not try to make her realize that he is a better lover than anyone in her past.. but many would want to take the other road and just try to fish someone with no past relationship, or as little as possible to make sure that she doesn’t have anyone to compare him, and this also goes for nonreligious people world wide not only here in Kuwait..
I really disagree with you with your example that when an argument comes up the man will automatically dump the girl, My friend, past relationship teaches you sooooo much about how to be in one.. it makes you understand more how a relationship works, it gives you maturity, and better understanding of women needs. Breaking up in any relationship is not easy, it’s self draining, heart aching experience, and if you were in a pure relationship that was giving your self to another, I can’t tell you how devastating it is when you finally get to the point of breaking up, you try all sorts of reason and solution and sacrifice and compromise to find a middle ground where both partners are satisfied.. it is not just like you think.. 1,2,3 boom. It’s over.. Unless the guy is a player and just in for fun..
One last time, not talking about a certain religion and what should be the right way and what’s the wrong way, I’m talking about the actual fact of reality and life here..
Thank you for those kind words Mr.Don, i understand completely now. in some cases i agree with you, but in others with all due respect, you have to understand my reason.
like for instance, when i talked about "Leaving his wife for lousy arguments" you see, when you meet your FIRST true love, you would expect a few "bumps" in the road and try to work them out. So if a guy or a girl doesnt get into a seriuos relationship and waits untill marrige, then they got experience everything together for the first time, it would be easier for them to work things out b/c they dont have past relationships to compare to, that could be a good or bad thing. the way i see it, a man gives his all in his first "seriuos" relationship and works hard to keep it alive. if trouble occurs there are compromises made on both sides. But this is what i see alot happening today, when i guy leaves a seriuos relationship, he wouldnt commit to another anytime soon after that, infact, he would be incouraged to have fun a relax and not take things "Seriously". Now this is when the trouble occurs, the guy would start mingling and hooking up a few times, and he would probably enjoy it at first, no hassels no responsibilty. But once he starts considering settling down, he has to be real sure about what he is doing. Once into a marrige he "MUST NOT" compare his previous incounters with his wife. Unfortunatly that isnt possible, why b/c once he gets into an argument with his wife after a few years they say usually (3-6yrs) into the marrige, and with his friends reminising how they were before marrige, he would remember his relationships, past and single life, that didnt require responsibilties and arguments. Its sad but true, and i have seen it.
This issue has two sides to it, and the problem both sides are right and wrong in some sense.
On the other hand, having relationships, a guy can understand women more. He would know how to treat, talk and learn yes i said "Learn" from them. So when the time comes to settle down, he would treat his wife like a queen, B/C at the end of the day LOVE and RESPECT is what keeps any relationship last a forever.
Thank you again for allowing me to comment on this subject. it was a pleasure reading all of your comments.
That is right.